(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC) DUTES: For more LIFE KIT, check out our other episodes.

（音乐片段）杜特斯：要了解更多生活包，请查看我们的其他剧集。

(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC) DUTES: I told Lourdes that I was tired, that I don't want to be resilient anymore.

（音乐片段）杜特斯：我告诉卢尔德我累了，我不想再有弹性了。

(LAUGHTER) DUTES: And if people walk away from this conversation remembering one thing about reframing the way they think about resilience or their relationship with resilience, what should that be?

（笑声） 杜特斯：如果人们离开这次谈话时想起一件事，即重新构建他们对韧性或他们与韧性的关系的思考方式，那应该是什么？

(Laughter) DUTES: To me, it's - due to our capacity to bear the weight of difficult situations, we're often invited to participate at the most hard times - when the building is crumbling - not when it's being built - right?

福林斯：（笑声） 杜特斯：对我来说，这是——由于我们有能力承受困难处境的重压，我们经常被邀请参加最艰难的时刻——当建筑物摇摇欲坠时——而不是在建造时——对？

(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC) DUTES: In responding to the, you know, I just want to be soft, can I get a minute, can I have a moment, somewhere along the way, we've - people, humanity, whatever - I think we've lost that opportunity.

（音乐片段）杜特斯：在回应时，你知道，我只是想变得柔和，我能得到一分钟，我能得到一点时间吗，在这个过程中的某个地方，我们 - 人，人类，无论什么 - 我认为我们已经失去了那个机会。